Giving Yourself and Others Grace with Eleanor Flores

In this episode, we speak with Eleanor Flores about her journey from IU Bloomington to her integral role at Amtrak in Washington DC. Eleanor has 10 plus years of experience coordinating large-scale projects from the creation to implementation stages and has diverse program management experience starting from her time as an e-specialist at Indiana University Health to her time managing national and international projects with FTI Consulting. Eleanor takes us on a journey to learn more about her career trajectory and discusses how the resiliency she has cultivated over her career has transformed her into the person she is today. Additionally, Eleanor reminds us about the importance of leading with compassion and optimism.  

Eleanor Flores is a Program Manager at Amtrak in Washington DC. She is a solutions-driven project management professional, consistently finding innovative ways to enhance the effectiveness of programs she helps design and run. She specializes in providing project management and senior management communications best practices to her teams. 

Currently, Eleanor is working on a 2.5 billion dollar program acquisition of a new train set fleet and specifically working to expand services to reach more clients. She helps with the commercial integration of new equipment. Eleanor is an avid reader, writer, and researcher, which all stem back from her Bachelor of Arts in Journalism degree from IU- Bloomington. Eleanor discusses the invaluable transferable skills such as communication and research skills that stem from her College of Arts and Sciences Journalism degree as well. We hope you find Eleanor’s nuggets of wisdom applicable to your current personal and professional lives as she speaks to giving yourself and others grace. Enjoy the episode!  

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Season 5 of All Careers Considered is produced in conjunction with the College of Arts + Sciences Themester 2021 on Resilience. One way you can participate in Themester is to attend a Themester event.


Daniella: Hey Hoosiers, welcome back to the All Careers Considered podcast, podcast hosted bythe Walter Center for Career Achievement,which is the Career Services Centerthat specifically serve students andalumni in the College of Arts and Sciencesat IU Bloomington. We are on a mission tohelp you achieve career success by supportingyou and your pursuit ofimpactful experiences,Designing Your Life, sharing your story,and building meaningful connections.My name is Daniela Feijoo and I amthe graduate intern forthe Walter Center for Career Achievement,working with an amazing team ofundergraduate students andcareer development champions.You may have heard that you can do anythingwith the College of Arts and Sciences degree.And I’m here to show youthat really is the caseby interviewing alumni toask them where they are now.Next up is this week’sinterview with Eleanor Flores,Program Manager at Amtrak in Washington DC. Eleanor coordinates large-scale projectsfrom the creation to implementation stages and has diverse programmanagement experiences,starting from her time asan E-specialist atIndiana University Health toher time managing nationaland international projectswith FTI Consulting.Eleanor graduated from Indiana University,Bloomington in 2011 witha Bachelor of Arts degree in journalism.I had a fantastic timelearning more about Eleanor’s career path, resiliency and how her College of Arts and Sciencesdegree has influenced her lifeand perspective on the world of work.I really enjoyed our conversationand believe you all will findmany nuggets of wisdom and pieces ofadvice in this conversation.Enjoy the episode! 

Daniella: Well, thank you so much forbeing here with us today on the College of Arts and Sciences’ All Careers Considered podcast, Eleanor. To begin,you had a phenomenalcareer as a young professional,working at Discovery USA toFTI Consulting and workingon so many truly impactful projectsand organizations. With thatbeing said, Eleanor, would you like tostart us off by telling everyone aboutyour current role as Project ManagementProfessional at Amtrak?  

Eleanor: Sure, so thank you for having me today.I am currently a Program Manager at Amtrak.I am out of the Washington D.C. office,which is where the company is headquartered,and I am working on a 2.5-billion-dollar program,which is an acquisitionof a new trainset fleetwhich will replace theexisting Acela fleet. So Acela is Amtrack’s premier Northeast quarter service.It’s a high-speed rail network.And right now we have20 train sets that we run inservice and will be replacingthose with new equipment,and we also acquired 28 trainsets, so we have even more train sets to expandor service and capture more customer growth.And we’re also doing other engineeringinfrastructure projects which wererequired for the new equipmentand so those are part of the program as well.So I help from the business side of things,help with the commercial integrationof new equipment and preparingAmtrak and the enterprise for the new equipmentand my focus isgenerally on the morecommercial side of things as wellas program statusreporting and things like that. 

Daniella: Well, that’s fantastic.Thank you so much for sharing with us about your role andthe incredibly diverse waysin which you interact with Amtrak.Could you tell us like kind of backtrackingto your time at IU,how did you choose your fieldof study and what kind ofmotivated you to pickthe industry that you’recurrently working in? 

Eleanor: Sure. So I wasa journalism major when I was at Indianafor my undergrad and my interests camefrom always enjoying reading and writing.I think I hada healthy dose of always wanting to knoweveryone’s business, um, which reallyhelped when it came to researchingstories and work, and still to this day, I willresearch anything that my friends require.So, I’ve been in several industries.I started in healthcare atIndiana University Health in Indianapolis,and then went into healthcare marketing andthen legal consulting and now transportation.So for me, it’s the challenge as opposed tothe industry and just whereI wanted to see my career evolve.I’ve never really confinedmyself to certain industry.I’m always open toexploring other industries because I thinkany company can getvalue out of someone who hasa different background and bringsa diverse perspective to their work. 

Daniella: Definitely, yes.Could not agree more.And you touched a little bit on your Bachelor of Arts in journalism degree.Can you tell us a little bit about how youhave seen that journalism degree,how that has influenced andenhanced your career so far. 

Eleanor: Sure, so I feel like having the great foundation I had gave mea very versatile skill-set. Communication skills are one of the mostimportant skills professionals have.And that’s what I got from a degreefrom College of Arts and Sciences.And other schools may notfocus so much on communication and people who havethat background and a degree in College of Arts and Sciences are kind ofalready set up for successbecause we come tothe table with those skills.So I’d say it’s heavily influenced my career.It’s helped me get to where I amand I can’t emphasizeenough how important communication is onceyou get out of school. Andeven while you’re in school, it’s important.But when you get seats at tables,whether it be interviews oronce you’re in your role,communication is the number one skillyou’re going to use. 

Daniella: Yeah totally. Ilove that phrase that you used,being set up for success withthat liberal arts degree andthat emphasis also on communications.I think sometimes we can sort ofoverlook the importance of that in,in all sorts of career fields.So aside from communications,are there any other transferable skillsthat you useon a daily basis that you mayhave learned from your journalism degree?  

Eleanor: Sure, I think that in additionto the communication skills,I got a sense of how to be approachable andmore discerning and there’s a lotof soft skills you learn.But I also findthe design courses that I took within,like the marketing and journalism partsof my coursework,have been really helpful puttingtogether presentations and documentations,depending on the field you gointo, a lot of your workcould be in puttingtogether a PowerPoint decks orpresentations and documentations andbeing able to presentthe information in a way that canbe easily digestible is very important.And understanding where the eye is looking andthe design information that youlearn in school has been valuable,invaluable at this point, to the work that I’ve been doing. 

Daniella: Yeah that is so neat, I’m gladthat you are able to share with uswhere those design skills andalso the soft skills piece.Reporting out theincredible work that you’re doing,whether it’s an individual projector a team sort of environment,I think is such a critical skill setthat I’m gladthe College of Arts and Sciencesis able to provide. 

Eleanor: I think at the time youmay not be understandinghow what you’re learning couldtranslate into different industries, but once you’re inthem and you have the opportunities,you can relate back whatyou’re doing to what you have learned.So it doesn’t always look like a one for one,and it may never.But the skill inlooking at what you’re learning andhow that can apply indifferent situations moving forward is where you’ll get the most success.  

Daniella: Yes, that sort oflike intentional reflection aspectof, of your work-life. 

Eleanor: Definitely. 

Daniella: Yeah, that’s great, awesome, and movinginto our theme of resilience this semester,could you tell us a little bit about whatresilience means to youand the work that you do? 

Eleanor: Sure.So in most, any role, you’ll have,you can be met with abrupt changes orlast minute requests or things that happen you can’t control. It’s beingable to meet those things. You know, take a minute, pause, take a beat, maybe five, depending on the circumstances,I often need more timeto just assess and not immediately respond,just taking that time andthen moving forward and keep delivering.You’re not going to beable to control everything and things will change eitherwith a lot of warning or with none at all.And it’s being able to still comeback and do what you’re doing successfully.That is resilience to me. Like you’re not going to justthrow in the towel or giveup or quit just becausesomething got difficult in that moment. 

Daniella: Yes, thank you.That’s a beautiful way to, to phrase that.Are there any specific examplesof how you have over your careeras a young professional showcased resiliencein specificallythe current industry that you’re in, intransportation? 

Eleanor:I think people around my age have had theinteresting opportunityto come out of college,post-when the job market waslittle sketchy in 2008.And then again with COVID and some ofthe other global changes that have happenedand still been able to hold careers.And to me as a baselinethat’s good enough at this point andto find careers and be stable and be able togrow in those roles andthen move on when you,want new challenges isanother way that you just keep fighting.You don’t necessarily get stuck into a rut.And even if there are things going onthat you cannot control for everyone,you’re focused on what you’re doing to ensure that you’re happy andsuccessful and moving forward.And I don’t think you should ever let circumstances impact or drive what you’redoing like you should just bein control of what you can,which is what you’re doing.So if I wanted to go look fora job during COVID, I would have.But you should never letsomething stop you fromdoing what you want to be doingor what you think you should be doing. 

Daniella: Yes, I love that and I think that you touchedon so many wonderful things inregards to wellness and taking care ofboth personal and professional lives and howthose are kind of intersecting at all times.And then also giving yourself grace,looking for challenges andessentially being able to look atyour strengths and your valuesand see how you canutilize those to continue moving forward.I think that speaks a lotto your incredible journey so far. 

Eleanor: Thank you. Yeah.Yeah, I think anytimeyou encounter something,it’s a double-edged sword. You could perhaps giveup and look for something else or youcould get over that andsee where it takes you just because youhit a bump in the road does notmean it’s over or it doesn’t meanthat you need to power through and stay therebecause you’ve overcome one thing. Life is a series of challenges, so you just have to continueto assess whether those challenges atone job in particular are worth getting overor you need to eventually look for other jobs.But in your career youjust have to recognize these willcome and go and you shouldalways continue and seek to get past them. 

Daniella: Yes, you, uh, also touched onthis notion of cultivating a growth mindset.In my opinion, you know, being able totake on these challenges withgrace and also being ableto work with others, whether it’s a mentor,a family member or a partner orsomebody in your life to be able totalk through these things and assess,like you said, what areyour non-negotiables in this career?What are things that you can look past and,and sort of have a great experience still.And I think those are great foryoung professionals to hearfrom someone like yourself, so thank you for sharing that. And I havea quote for you today, that I would love for you to reflect on.It’s a quote from the Dalai Lama that says, “the greater the force of your compassion,the greater your resiliencein confronting hardships.”What does that mean toyou when you hear up this quote? 

Eleanor: I think you need to lookat any situation similarly. So if things are going well,you need to carry that ease andlevity into the moments thatare going to try to take you down.I think it’s important if something happens,you need to give yourself the time to revel.I think it’s very important that you needto feel your emotions as they hatch.Then you have to also take a step andrealize you have to lead with compassion.You have to lead with optimism.And this is just a brief moment.So you always have to findthe light or be the light, like you can’t justalways be in this negative space or moment,but you need to find waysto rise above that andbehave the same way you would have whetherthat issue is there or not.  

Daniella: Yeah.So sort of level of, like you said,kind of consistency in your daily lifeand being able to kind of ground yourself and,yeah, show yourself andother people compassion.I think sometimes we neglect ourselves, so focusing on thatfirst can be really impactful. 

Eleanor: Yeah, and it’s important ifyou recognize in yourselfthat you have these moments,you have to recognizeother people have them aswell and may not be showing them.So you always need to lead with compassion when you’reworking with others becauseyou may be having a great day,but someone may be having a terrible one.So I always try to rememberif I went through something yesterday,that person may be going through thatthat same thing but today.So I always approachpeople with that mentality. 

Daniella: Yes, that reminds me of the concept oftransformational leadershipand being able to look at,look at all peoplethat are part of your team,as, you know,equal stakeholders and decision-makers.And although indifferent organizations and fields,there may be more competitivenessor more of a hierarchy.At the end of the day, we’reall navigating this world. Like you said, challenges come and go.But being able to show thatcompassion and support to oneanother is really wonderful, and you, you know, providing that generosityfor other people that is returned to you.And I think that’simportant to recognize at all times. 

Eleanor:Yeah, everyone is your customer.You should treat everyone likeyour customer, your boss,the people you work with, if you’re givingthem something or ifyou’re working with them,they’re your customer and they’re eithergoing to invest inyou and continue to come to you,or they’re going to seek other peopleto provide them the services so youalways want to think ofeveryone asyour customer and treat them as you would if you’re like aone-person business-man or -woman.It’s just you and you need a salary.You need to make money, so youneed to treat your customers well. 

Daniella: Yes, you have so many great nuggetsof wisdom, Eleanor, this is fantastic.Kind of talking about leadership inyour career and howyou’ve done so for others,and mentored them, or you’ve been mentored,who would you say wasyour biggest motivatorthroughout your journey?And if it wasn’t a specific person,what was your biggest motivator? 

Eleanor: Sure.So I’ve always been motivated by wanting tosupport myself and not rely on anyone else.I’m also highly motivated by knowing,I’m personally making an impact.And this goes back to what wewere just talking about.I may just make an impact on someone’s day.But if you look at every day youwake up as an all those little interactions,I know I’m making an impact onpeople and you canfind this in a lot of ways.But for me, having those leaders andcolleagues who rely onme knowing what I’m doing,it’s contributing in a big wayin any of the work I’m doing.I think sometimes dependingon the industry you go into,this isn’t as prevalentwhen I worked in health care rightaway at Indiana University Health, I could seethe difference I was making because Isaw patients like, wow,this is, or to find workas fulfilling as being able to go intoa hospital and see that theyfound the service becauseI published a website page on it’s not always going tobe that self-evident.You’re not going to be able tohave examples like that every day.But if you seek tofind ways in which you’re impacting people,I think that’s a huge motivationand it could be for a lot of people. 

Daniella: Yeah, those small points of reflection arekey and being able torecognize that, like we were saying,all members of a team are verycritical to the mission and beingmission driven and focusedon that can help usto keep moving forwardand stay motivated in our work.So thank you. What advicewould you give to currentIU students as they’rebalancing school and the COVID global pandemic and lookingahead to their futures. 

Eleanor: Well, I think without even knowing them,good job, everyone isdoing the best job that they can.And I have no doubtthe students at IU are not any different.We’re all just doing our best. Um, I would say now more than ever,it’s important not to shyaway from non-verbal presence.What you’re doing now when yousit in a room full of people orstand with a group in a conversation when you aren’t speaking.We’ve had the ability to kind ofhide out and zoneout behind screens forthe better part of almost two years now.So it’s important, we don’tforget how to communicate in person.And also be present.So having a positive presence without saying anything goes a really long way.People will remember if you’re in the room,even if you don’t say anything,if you’re contributing positively to the atmosphere. 

Daniella:Yes, I love that,that interconnectedness and sort of buildingcommunity at, at all sortsof junctions in our lives is really critical toa sense of wellnessand it comes back to that always. 

Eleanor: And I do, and I do see, I’veloved working from home and Isee the benefit of being able to do that.But I also see when people say, you know, we gotta get back classrooms,we have to get back into work.Like why that is.I I know why that is and Iunderstand the benefits of that.And I do think most peoplewill want to get back in to person.So it’s remembering those, again,soft skills of how do Ibehave when I’m in front of people.And I’m not always going to be lookingat my phone or looking at my watch. Or staring off, like you need to bepresent and engaged whenyou’re with other people.And I think that will perhaps be,an unpracticed skillonce you’re back in the,quote, real new world. 

Daniella: Yes, I couldn’t agree more.Showing up for people and givingyour time is truly a gift.And I think we’re slowlytransitioning into figuring outwhat those moments of um, gratitude look like, andshowing up for one another.So yeah, that’s a wonderful reflection. 

Eleanor: Yep.And I think alsoremembering after you’re doing this,you’re going to be tiredbecause that is the new normal.And once you have tostart getting back out there,you will be tired.So take the time that you need mentally as well.And once you, once you’re back inthe situations. 

Daniella: Yes, 1000%.So thinking about young professionalsas they’re navigatingan internship or job search, impostor syndrome is something thata lot of young people experience.What advice would you give students asthey are navigating this? 

Eleanor: I mean, I would like to say thatimposture syndrome issomething that goes away,but I still knowa partner in a global lawfirm who could still feel this way.So the most important thing I tellmyself is you’re there for a reason.Someone has seen something inyou worth investing in.And you should make sure theysee a return on that investment.You should always believe thatyou’re worth investing in.And it’s not like you justwalked in off the streetand got a seat at the tableand you were asked to be there.So provide value.You don’t need to say something in orderto provide value in every instance,but just always ensure that people are seeinga return on their investmentin you being a part of these conversations.And unfortunately, I don’t havea cure for imposter syndrome aside from the fact that you just need tocontinually have faith in yourself. 

Daniella: Yes, That’s great advice foryoung people and foranyone experiencing impostor syndrome.I think in this topic of resilience,it’s most important to be able towake up every day and think ofit as a new, fresh start.Of course, building on things thatyou’ve already developed andbeen able to grow whether that is individually or as a team.But being able to seethat you are making an impactand that looks like somethingdifferent for everybody.  

Eleanor: That’s right.And some days it will resultin a congratulations emailor a thank you ormore praise than you were expecting.And some days you’ll doeven better and get none.So you just have to recognizethat not every instancewhere you’re succeeding inpublic or in front of people, or at your job, isgoing to garner that the back.So you have to be able to give it toyourself and not rest onother people going out oftheir way to give you that feedback. 

Daniella:Yes. Thank you. That’s wonderful. Eleanor, what would you say arethe biggest changes that you’ve seen inyourself from when you were anundergraduate at IU Bloomington? 

Eleanor: I mean, I thinkthe biggest change is my bedtime.But aside from that,I’m a lot more tailoredthan I was when I was an undergrad.And what I mean by that is I know how tobetter measure myself and howI respond to people and how I show up.And sometimes I don’t,you know, and that’s okay.Sometimes I just immediatelygot the handle when I hearsomething or when I reactsomewhere and I don’t reel myself in.But more often than not, I spend timeensuring that how I am showing up is the best version of myself every time.So I think that what I’m going to say,what is my face doing right now?How will this message being perceived,all of that I think of who I’m talkingto and what is my relationshipwith that person.And I go through a lot more of a checklistbefore or during conversationthan I did when I was younger.And I think that’s personal growth thathopefully a lot of peoplesee as they get older.So I think that’s one way, even in my career I’ve seen growth arereally the past less than five years ofjust continually checking myself andhow I’m showing up in whatpeople may be perceiving me as in that moment. 

Daniella: Yeah, That’s phenomenal.Thank you so much. 

Eleanor: Yes.And I definitely did not care about that as an undergrad. 

Daniella: There is so much to balance when you’rein school and also ina full-time role, of course.And I just think that there’s,there’s a lot of opportunitiesto grow and learn asyou’re kind of transitioningfrom one job to another becauseyou have these reflective pointsand people looking up to you essentially too,and that helps you tokind of stay accountable to yourself. 

Eleanor: Yeah, and it helps youobviously get feedback when you’re ina career you have leadership will provideyou regular feedback andthat’s helpful as well.And it’s just one of those areas where I’ve always seeked togrow because I do think itis a skill of leaders andleaders that I’ve worked withand mentors that I have had.And it’s just something that I’m alwayscontinually seeking to improve. 

Daniella: That’s great.Would you be able to reflect onyour biggest teaching momentin your career thus far? 

Eleanor: I think I’ve stressed the,I felt like I neededassistance in tailoring myself a lot.So the biggest teaching moment,I mean, I think it’s that you’renever the teacher.No matter if you becomea subject matter expert onsomething or become the go-to person,which I’ve been on some stuff.There are people with more experienceor have a different perspective who can teach you something.I’m most proud of where I am today,but I also and I think I’mprobably the continuing tobecome the best version,but I’m going to needteaching no matter what.And recognizing that I thinkis just a moment I continueto have in and of itself because Ido have times where I’m like, well, why would I ask that person. Ask the person because they mayhave other opinions orother advice that andsomething you haven’t experienced yet.So just always knowthat you’re always a student.Unfortunately, even after you graduate. 

Daniella: That is really powerful.I think that will bea guiding principle for many people.And you touched onthis a little bit, Eleanor.What are you most proudof in your career thus far? 

Eleanor: Aside from learningthat I always need to betaking direction and being a student,I think I’m most proud oftaking the initiative toget a postgraduate certification.So what you’re doing inpostgraduate school is fantastic.And I think if people want to go intograduate school, they certainly should.But I was ableto explore opportunities throughgetting a project managementcertification that I would not havepreviously been eligible forthose opportunities if I hadn’t gottena certification that kind of gaveme what a communications degree gave me,which is a universal skillthat was recognized by any industry.So I would not be where Iwas today if I didn’t havejust those fantastic foundational skillsof both communicationsand project management.If I didn’t just takethe initiative to do more inmy extra time whenI was a little bit younger. 

Daniella: Yeah, that’s fantastic howthose are interwoventhe communications and the project management.  

 Eleanor: Yeah, it’s a field,I don’t think Indiana has, it’s not,it’s becoming a more widelyundergraduate offering, I think,but project management itself is, I think,fairly young in terms ofthe offerings on university campuses.So I had no idea that’s where I would be, but here I am.So I guess I’m also proud of the fact thatI just went with it. 

Daniella: That’s so great. I’m so excited for you.And what would you say isyour favorite part of your job currently? 

Eleanor: I think my favorite part of the jobis I’m able to work withso many different groups and departments within Amtrak that I wouldnever work with in any other role.I work a lot with mechanical leaders andengineering and infrastructure people,electrical engineers as wellas like marketing professionalsand communications leadersand the executive leadership.There isn’t one groupwhere I’m not working with. That diversity within my day is exciting. It also gives me an opportunityto learn a lot more.I get exposure toIT work I wouldn’tbe working with otherwise.And just get a breadthof knowledge and a bunch ofdifferent departments and getto meet a lot ofdifferent people and that’sprobably the best part right now. 

Daniella: Yeah, that sounds fabulous.I’m so glad that you’reenjoying your position andmaking a really big impact as well. 

Eleanor: Thank you.  

Daniella: Yeah.Of course. And on to some more fun questions. What would you say isyour favorite thing to door your favorite memory on campus? 

Eleanor: There’s a lot, but I would saymy girlfriends and I always did what we would call car parties.So we would listen tovery loud music and drivearound campus and do laps and pick people up from classes,get polar pods from Circle K.So that was a big activity dependingon who needed to be picked up from class when; so that was really fun for me.I love campus.So us driving aroundit is just the ultimate activity for me. 

Daniella: That’s so cool.It is such a gorgeous campus. 

 Eleanor: Yeah, it’s fantastic.I have a route if anyone needs one. 

Daniella:  We will be sure to let them know.Wonderful. Do you havea favorite class thatyou recall or a professor? 

Eleanor: I mean, I dida class in the journalism school.I don’t know if they still have it,but it was called “In the Footsteps of Ernie Pyle”.And it was a course about the journalism schoolat the time was namedafter Ernie Pyle and he wasa World War II reporter.And as part of the class,we spent spring break in London and inFrance visitingthe different World War II memorialsand museums and things.There’s a fantastic class both in getting to learn that rich historyand the contributions of one manand also getting into travel, so it was kind of the best of both worlds,and I met a lot ofgreat people in that class. 

Daniella: Oh, that’s wonderful.What a cool immersive experience too. 

Eleanor: Yeah, I was Idon’t know if they still do that.There were a couple other classes.I think like two or maybe two others.One I think would go to Chile.So yeah, there’s a couple ofimmersive classes that the journalism school offered,and I’m very appreciativeof the one I went on. 

Daniella: Wonderful Thank you so much for sharingthose tidbits of your time at IU. To wrap us up, thank you so much for being here.It was so fantastic to hear aboutall your incredible experiencesand amazing products you’re working on now atAmtrak. Thank you for your time.And if students have any questions or want tokeep up with the amazing waysyou’re changing the world, how can they go about doing so? 

 Eleanor: I would recommend anyonewho wants to reach out, you can find me on LinkedInunder Eleanor Flores.I would encourage any student if youmeet alumni or if you’re interested in getting into acareer, just reach out tothem and try to network.People love to talk about themselves.It’s one of the easiest things we as people can do.And it is beneficial toyour career to meet asmany people as you can.Just always be professionalabout it and follow through.Don’t reach out to people,they respond, don’t not respond back to them,but don’t be afraid tojust reach out to people as youget to know them or asyou meet them casually. It’s helpful to always network andgrow and grow your networkby meeting other people.I know it’s clicheand when I was an undergrad,I was like why am I talking to old people?But it is important. 

 Daniella: Yes, thank you for those helpful tidbits too on best practices for reaching out to alumni.And you can also find Eleanor onthe Walter Center Success Network.I would highly recommend thatas well as LinkedIn.And yes, thank you so much for being here.We’re so excited to have you.  

 Eleanor: Yes.Thank you so much for having me.I really enjoyed it. 

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